Projections on a release date?

FlashFire82 · 02-26-2005, 18:40

Hey guys!

First of all I wanted to thank for all of the hard work that you've done. Now... I just ran out and bought a copy a Freespace 2 just so I could play your MOD. :-) I know, I'm a dweeb... but still... it's bargain bin material.

So... without trying to twist your arms or anything... have we got a projected release date yet? Just curious... I know that you're probably very busy and trying to get this thing out as soon as possible without providing a crappy product, but it's just a curiosity.

Sarty · 02-26-2005, 20:07

Actually I believe that owning Freespace 2 will be unnecessary. I recall one of the mod members mentioning that they are making a stand-alone version of the mod, so you didnt have to go buy it. I could be wrong though.

FlashFire82 · 02-27-2005, 01:03

Even if that is true... a little late to tell me now, eh?

ChrisReid · 02-27-2005, 01:39

This same thread has happened a bunch of times. Freespace 2 itself is free to distribute online, but it's not necessary to play WC Saga.

Starman© · 02-27-2005, 04:55

That's correct. Both, the prologue and the main-campaign will be standalone, there is no freespace-cd necessary. I will update the FAQ-Thread with that.

As for a release-date, it is still hard to tell. Since I have now received most voice-lines I can finish the missions. Though there are still some models to upgrade, which makes no real progress at the moment. Beta-Testing will certainly took
2 weeks or so.

But I really hope that it will be only a matter of weeks from now on. (but don't be
angry if it will take a little longer, since we want to polish everything as good as
possible so there will be as much of a wc-feeling as possible).

As soon as I finished the mission, we will be able to announce a release-date.

Tolwyn · 02-27-2005, 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

This same thread has happened a bunch of times. Freespace 2 itself is free to distribute online, but it's not necessary to play WC Saga.

actually only the source code is completely free, this does not apply to the full package, although neither Interplay nor Volition really care. Anyway, we have based our stand alone package on the FS2 Demo, which is free.. more or less

The release date is not fully set. I can safely say, that we need one month for balancing, and as Starman stated, some models will be replaced before the prologue comes out.

bbobb · 02-27-2005, 08:21

You're not exactly at a loss if you bought Freespace 2. At the risk of sounding like a heathen, it is better than Wing Commander.

Tolwyn · 02-27-2005, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbobb

You're not exactly at a loss if you bought Freespace 2. At the risk of sounding like a heathen, it is better than Wing Commander.

it may have better graphics and more dynamic missions, but Wing Commander has an outstanding story with remarkable characters. It is something I miss in FS 1 and 2 entirely.

FlashFire82 · 02-27-2005, 23:18

Actually I am having quite a bit of fun with Freespace 2... but I have to say... I'm drooling over the prospect of using this engine for Wing Comander, and having mission creation at my fingertips with FRED. You people may very well have made my life complete if this MOD comes out to be what we're all expecting (and hoping for).

TurboTim07 · 03-08-2005, 18:38

hope we can have a taste of what's to come soon

Sylvester · 03-09-2005, 08:42

My god...Tolwyn was banned....

Dyret · 03-09-2005, 09:30

I think the mods are mopping up the remaining members of the evil saga team. Let's hope they leave Psych since he's more of a freelancer. And let's hope saga will still be released. no matter how nasty the team might be, I'm still looking forward to making my own exciting WC missions/campaigns.

criticalmass · 03-09-2005, 11:54

Cool it, people. People in this community have had difficulties with the approaches, ideas, opinions and techniques used by the Saga team; and from all I know some of it may be fact. But there's no reason to call all of them villains.

Saga will be released eventually (as far as I recall sometime soon, at least this year), and it will be anyone's own decision to go and get it.

Oh, and if I remember right, today's Tolwyn's birthday.

Starman© · 03-09-2005, 12:17

The release of our prologue will be in the near future, but since there is still some polishing to do, I can't give an exact ETA yet. But we are working hard on getting it done.

Lynx · 03-09-2005, 12:41

Evil saga team, my ass. Most of them are nice guys usually. Why that stupid brainfart happened, I have no idea, it was probably full moon and the lack of oxygen for what I know. It's very sad that tha happened, but with any continuation of this the shit levels up on both sides equally, so if you feel like making an ass out of yourselves in public you are free to try, no matter what side your with. I'm sure there are a lot of nice people who will help anyone who tries.
All that is like that retarded brother of your neighbour - it just happened, and now it's best to hide it in the attic and tell visitors that those sounds coming from there are made by rats or something.

As for some members being banned, that's probably because they didn't abide to the rules and not because they are saga members, because banning them because just of that would meant that there's something rotten in the state of denmark, and I just hope that's not the case. Andbeing banned doesn't mean that all life functions cease and that they fall into a coma, so fear not, they're still canalizing their...stuff into something useful.

As for the release date, it's ain a few weeks, though we don't know the exact date. Stuff is almost done, but we're polishing the hell out of it right now and also are preparing some surprises that both maximize download size and enjoyment of WCSaga.

TurboTim07 · 03-09-2005, 16:40

well i think that you guys are doing a great job so far. and i believe that the whole ordeal was a misunderstanding on both parts and poor choices of words (no offense). but i hope it'll settle down after a while. after all, families have fights but what's important is sticking together in the end. but what gets me is that guy that posted on a trolling board telling them to attack our forums

Dyret · 03-10-2005, 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx

As for the release date, it's ain a few weeks, though we don't know the exact date. Stuff is almost done, but we're polishing the hell out of it right now and also are preparing some surprises that both maximize download size and enjoyment of WCSaga.

I'm glad to hear that.

psych · 03-10-2005, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyret

I think the mods are mopping up the remaining members of the evil saga team. Let's hope they leave Psych since he's more of a freelancer. And let's hope saga will still be released. no matter how nasty the team might be, I'm still looking forward to making my own exciting WC missions/campaigns.

I'm still here, but now I dissapear and reappear without notice.

ChrisReid · 03-10-2005, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx

As for some members being banned, that's probably because they didn't abide to the rules and not because they are saga members, because banning them because just of that would meant that there's something rotten in the state of denmark, and I just hope that's not the case.

The fact that Lynx is still able to post this should show that's not the case.

powell99 · 03-15-2005, 11:27

Ahh well. The Saga team are not bad guys. We have to understand that some people here, definatley myself included can be a damanding and anyoing. So really we cant say that anyone on the Saga team is Evil and if you do you're misguided.
BTW: I hope that I made a good point and welcome back Psych

Dyret · 03-16-2005, 05:07

I forgot to add the sarcasm tags when i wrote "evil". I thought it was quite obvious.

Maj.Striker · 03-16-2005, 05:25

Still waiting to play this one...it may be the only mod of the recent three I can run on my pc.

Privateer Remake locks up about 5 minutes into the game and I can't see any of the equipment to purchase, Standoff runs but also locks up indiscriminantly (I'm assuming it's an XP issue). I do know I can run Freespace 2 though...

Tolwyn · 03-16-2005, 05:36

Greetings, faithful fans! This is just a quick update on our progress towards releasing the Wing Commander Saga Prologue. We are in the last months of our game dev cycle and despite our widely divergent schedules and area or Country codes, the experience has been well met. There are some house cleaning things and last repairs to take care of before we can go to the next step.

I'm sorry, but although new screenshots were promised, I have not had the time to prepare them. Rest assured, however, that they will be updated before week's end!

Our bug-hunting efforts have progressed well during the past weeks, and we are happy to say that the delay has been positive - the final release of the Prologue will be a much cleaner game than it would have been.

I hope this has helped clear up any confusion. As always, if there are any questions or comments, let us know! Keep the faith - Wing Commander Saga Prologue will be soon available!

gevatter Lars · 03-17-2005, 08:39

@Tolwyn
Oh man you know how to keep us busy...telling them anything from soon release and so ^__^

Well their has been quite some progress...
Frigate, Destroyer and Cruiser class ships have been updated and carrier will follow
(aka Caernaven, Sheffield, Tallahassee and Ranger)
I am also waiting to see the final results on the Ranger experiment...if it works...well you will see.

On my own department I am developing new shine-maps that give the model some nice details when watched in the right light.

Starman should have nearly all Missions ready and the voiceaction also seams to get finished.

Their are also some new HUD graphics in development and music and sound FX.

That all sounds like a lot of progress but it also is quite some work...means that we have to do quite some bughunting, cleaning our folders and so.
So Tolwnys "soon" is still quite relative (ok I am passimist ^_^ )

Sphynx · 03-17-2005, 09:24

Yes, but I think this time when Tolwyn says "soon," it actually means what most people think by the word "soon."

Of course, since he's an Admiral he gets to have a little freedom with definitions. But, it really is close (that doesn't mean the rest of the work to be done is easy, though).

Dyret · 03-17-2005, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by gevatter Lars

On my own department I am developing new shine-maps that give the model some nice details when watched in the right light.

Didn't you have some problems with those earlier?

gevatter Lars · 03-17-2005, 10:22

Thats right thats why I am doing new one.
If you mean the general lightning...well thats everyones personal thing.
At the moment the taste ranges from Ambient ~70, very dark but realistic to ~100 which is more like the WC3 lightning and you can even see the details on the "dark" side of the ships.

At the moment I have asked not to release any pictures of the things I am working on, cause I don't want to give the people any hopes and then I can't keep up to what I promised.
If it works out well you will become a complete picture collection.

Tolwyn · 03-17-2005, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyret

Didn't you have some problems with those earlier?

nope, we had no problems because we had no real shine maps

Just placeholders.

And speaking of my definition of the word 'soon': Soon means that the game will be released BEFORE the Winter 2666.

Seriosly: the delay had a very positive effect. The most important achievement is that the game is completely stand alone now.

Chicken · 03-17-2005, 11:32

It's probably asked before, but is there going to be some multiplayer mayhem?

Tolwyn · 03-17-2005, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken

It's probably asked before, but is there going to be some multiplayer mayhem?

but of course. The team will test multiplayer functionality during the next week.

Sphynx · 03-17-2005, 12:37

Yes, by winter 2066 I should have enough free time to actually play the thing!

I can understand that everyone is tugging at the reigns (believe me, I feel the same way). However long it may be, I really feel comfortable saying that it will be worth the wait.

Tolwyn · 03-17-2005, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphynx

Yes, by winter 2066 I should have enough free time to actually play the thing!

I can understand that everyone is tugging at the reigns (believe me, I feel the same way). However long it may be, I really feel comfortable saying that it will be worth the wait.

You surely mean winter 2666 (it was not a typo

).

Sphynx · 03-17-2005, 13:08

Ah, yes. Winter 2666. Maybe I'll have enough for retirement by then (although I can't vouch for my flying reflexes at that age!

).

luminon · 03-17-2005, 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

...the game is completely stand alone now.

It's great that you guys have made it possible for people without FS2 to play this mod, but I'm interested to know if there will be a version which will run off an existing FS2 installation (i.e. I already have FS2) in order to minimise the size of the whole package. There are no problems at all if it will be stand alone only... I was just wondering

.

Tolwyn · 03-17-2005, 13:28

the compressed package won't make much difference. 20mb at most.

gevatter Lars · 03-17-2005, 13:30

You should be able to run the mod with your installation of FS2, but their could be some problems...for example with your pilot. Using your old Pilot you would loose your "savegame" of the FS campaine.
Also the differance in size without the FS2 files is small...when you have allready downloaded the rest of the mod the FS files just take a small part...I guess about 2-3% of the entire pack.

luminon · 03-17-2005, 13:41

Thanks for the replies. That's surprising. I would have thought that the freespace files would have taken up more space than that. An extra 20MB is nothing for a modern hard disk, so I guess I'll just stick with whatever you have done.

I'd also like to add that I'm really looking forward to this mod. You have done a great job from what I have seen so far.

Sphynx · 03-17-2005, 17:38

As for the FS files, let's just say that in WC Saga, a whole lot of files have been replaced by the team members. You'll be very surprised, and pleasantly so, I believe. Let's just say I think it is a very nice blend of WC, FS, and a little bit of personal style from the creative team. I don't think you'll be dissapointed.

powell99 · 03-17-2005, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

You surely mean winter 2666 (it was not a typo

).

At least its not 2669, although i daresay i engoy conemterary flight sims

Tolwyn · 03-18-2005, 01:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by luminon

Thanks for the replies. That's surprising. I would have thought that the freespace files would have taken up more space than that. An extra 20MB is nothing for a modern hard disk, so I guess I'll just stick with whatever you have done. .

I guess you misinterpreted me: I was talking about compressed data package

Uncompressed it may range between 50-100 mbs. These are mostly interface files, that will be replaced by our own interface only by the time the full game will be released. Until then, we are going the same way as The Babylon Project. We are using FS2 interface as a template and add a fancy render as a background.

luminon · 03-18-2005, 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolwyn

I guess you misinterpreted me: I was talking about compressed data package Uncompressed it may range between 50-100 mbs. These are mostly interface files, that will be replaced by our own interface only by the time the full game will be released. Until then, we are going the same way as The Babylon Project. We are using FS2 interface as a template and add a fancy render as a background.

Oh, right. When you said compressed package I thought you meant a compressed package of FS2 which will contain everything needed to play Saga

. That was a pretty stupid way of interpreting it when I think back. Oh well, thanks for clearing that up anyway.

Tolwyn · 03-18-2005, 09:00

on the other hand, luminon, the full game will contain almost no FS2 files

Lynx · 03-20-2005, 14:31

Yeah, the interfac is one of my biggest dislikes there. But if the rumors are true, we'll get an easy to mess with template file sometime in the future that'd allow us to make fancy WCish computer interfaces with screen borders around them and all.

Dyret · 03-20-2005, 16:47

That's nice. Will you get it before the demo release?

Tolwyn · 03-21-2005, 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyret

That's nice. Will you get it before the demo release?

The answer is simple: no. There are many reasons for this; most importantly it is very difficult to implement. And even if it would be done in time, which I seriously doubt, we will have to replace 1000 of interface images.

climber · 03-31-2005, 07:12

I want saga now, surely the time is ripe. How long do you think it will be chaps. I realise that you all have other things to do as well and these things take time but in my defence I am inherently impatient and want to play a new WC very very soon.

Any idea would sooth the soul

gevatter Lars · 04-01-2005, 06:42

Can't say any date but as soon as the betatesting for the prologue is finished and hopefully all the bugs are gone.
You see we have some progress going...its not that long anymore...I guess ^_^

Tolwyn · 04-01-2005, 06:56

well it depends on how many bugs will be encountered while beta testing, but I am confident that the heavier ones are already gone. The exact release date depends on the engine development by the SCP team. Actually the release could be in two weeks. But it could also take 8 weeks to implement features we need.

On the other hand: I'd like to ask people for patience. Otherwise give me the magic formula for creating a huge game like this in a 3 months with a team that is on a part time schedule. Believe it or not, we want this game completed more than anyone but we are not going to release a buggy, boring and visually lacking product.

climber · 04-01-2005, 07:37

that is fair enough chaps. I can understand that you can't rush these things. We all want it to look and play great. I'm just a naturally impatient type of guy. Helps get things done I find.

Keep me posted and I will be a happy teddy.

Tolwyn · 04-01-2005, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by climber

Keep me posted and I will be a happy teddy.

will do

02-26-2005, 18:40	#1
FlashFire82 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Currently Uijongbu, South Korea Posts: 164	Projections on a release date? Hey guys! First of all I wanted to thank for all of the hard work that you've done. Now... I just ran out and bought a copy a Freespace 2 just so I could play your MOD. :-) I know, I'm a dweeb... but still... it's bargain bin material. So... without trying to twist your arms or anything... have we got a projected release date yet? Just curious... I know that you're probably very busy and trying to get this thing out as soon as possible without providing a crappy product, but it's just a curiosity. __________________ ---Apollo "FlashFire" Melo "Sir, I do not understand what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to confused me!" --- Captain Benjamin "Hawkeye" Pierce, MAS*H

02-27-2005, 01:03	#3
FlashFire82 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Currently Uijongbu, South Korea Posts: 164	Even if that is true... a little late to tell me now, eh? __________________ ---Apollo "FlashFire" Melo "Sir, I do not understand what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to confused me!" --- Captain Benjamin "Hawkeye" Pierce, MAS*H

02-27-2005, 04:55	#5
Starman© Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 435	That's correct. Both, the prologue and the main-campaign will be standalone, there is no freespace-cd necessary. I will update the FAQ-Thread with that. As for a release-date, it is still hard to tell. Since I have now received most voice-lines I can finish the missions. Though there are still some models to upgrade, which makes no real progress at the moment. Beta-Testing will certainly took 2 weeks or so. But I really hope that it will be only a matter of weeks from now on. (but don't be angry if it will take a little longer, since we want to polish everything as good as possible so there will be as much of a wc-feeling as possible). As soon as I finished the mission, we will be able to announce a release-date. __________________ Wing Commander Saga

02-27-2005, 23:18	#9
FlashFire82 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Currently Uijongbu, South Korea Posts: 164	Actually I am having quite a bit of fun with Freespace 2... but I have to say... I'm drooling over the prospect of using this engine for Wing Comander, and having mission creation at my fingertips with FRED. You people may very well have made my life complete if this MOD comes out to be what we're all expecting (and hoping for). __________________ ---Apollo "FlashFire" Melo "Sir, I do not understand what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to confused me!" --- Captain Benjamin "Hawkeye" Pierce, MAS*H

03-09-2005, 08:42	#11
Sylvester Brigadier General Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sol Sector, Earth, Edgewater, NJ Posts: 1,297	My god...Tolwyn was banned.... __________________ Join the fight against the Kilrathi: Wing Commander: Vanguard "I wish to have no connection with a ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in Harm's way." - John Paul Jones, 1775

02-26-2005, 20:07	#2
Sarty Captain Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hudson, MA Posts: 346	Actually I believe that owning Freespace 2 will be unnecessary. I recall one of the mod members mentioning that they are making a stand-alone version of the mod, so you didnt have to go buy it. I could be wrong though.

02-27-2005, 01:39	#4
ChrisReid Super Soaker Collector Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Posts: 10,988	This same thread has happened a bunch of times. Freespace 2 itself is free to distribute online, but it's not necessary to play WC Saga.

02-27-2005, 08:21	#7
bbobb Cadet Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9	You're not exactly at a loss if you bought Freespace 2. At the risk of sounding like a heathen, it is better than Wing Commander.

03-08-2005, 18:38	#10
TurboTim07 Captain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Covington, GA Posts: 333	hope we can have a taste of what's to come soon

03-09-2005, 09:30	#12
Dyret Super Carrot! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 2,437	I think the mods are mopping up the remaining members of the evil saga team. Let's hope they leave Psych since he's more of a freelancer. And let's hope saga will still be released. no matter how nasty the team might be, I'm still looking forward to making my own exciting WC missions/campaigns. __________________ Glory to the many

03-09-2005, 11:54	#13
criticalmass Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Travelling Posts: 968	Cool it, people. People in this community have had difficulties with the approaches, ideas, opinions and techniques used by the Saga team; and from all I know some of it may be fact. But there's no reason to call all of them villains. Saga will be released eventually (as far as I recall sometime soon, at least this year), and it will be anyone's own decision to go and get it. Oh, and if I remember right, today's Tolwyn's birthday. __________________ "Happy the man, and happy he alone / who in all honesty can call today his own He who has life and strength enough to say / Tomorrow do thy worst, for I have lived today." John Dryden, in the version by Neil Hannon

03-09-2005, 12:17	#14
Starman© Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 435	The release of our prologue will be in the near future, but since there is still some polishing to do, I can't give an exact ETA yet. But we are working hard on getting it done. __________________ Wing Commander Saga

03-09-2005, 12:41	#15
Lynx Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austria. Not Australia. Posts: 1,322	Evil saga team, my ass. Most of them are nice guys usually. Why that stupid brainfart happened, I have no idea, it was probably full moon and the lack of oxygen for what I know. It's very sad that tha happened, but with any continuation of this the shit levels up on both sides equally, so if you feel like making an ass out of yourselves in public you are free to try, no matter what side your with. I'm sure there are a lot of nice people who will help anyone who tries. All that is like that retarded brother of your neighbour - it just happened, and now it's best to hide it in the attic and tell visitors that those sounds coming from there are made by rats or something. As for some members being banned, that's probably because they didn't abide to the rules and not because they are saga members, because banning them because just of that would meant that there's something rotten in the state of denmark, and I just hope that's not the case. Andbeing banned doesn't mean that all life functions cease and that they fall into a coma, so fear not, they're still canalizing their...stuff into something useful. As for the release date, it's ain a few weeks, though we don't know the exact date. Stuff is almost done, but we're polishing the hell out of it right now and also are preparing some surprises that both maximize download size and enjoyment of WCSaga. __________________ Stupidity - Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But those who never quit and never win are stupid.

03-09-2005, 16:40	#16
TurboTim07 Captain Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Covington, GA Posts: 333	well i think that you guys are doing a great job so far. and i believe that the whole ordeal was a misunderstanding on both parts and poor choices of words (no offense). but i hope it'll settle down after a while. after all, families have fights but what's important is sticking together in the end. but what gets me is that guy that posted on a trolling board telling them to attack our forums

03-15-2005, 11:27	#20
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	Ahh well. The Saga team are not bad guys. We have to understand that some people here, definatley myself included can be a damanding and anyoing. So really we cant say that anyone on the Saga team is Evil and if you do you're misguided. BTW: I hope that I made a good point and welcome back Psych __________________ Militias need capital ships in much the same way as police officers need guided missile cruisers. -LOAF GOKU, TELL ME I'M GREAT... OR I'LL BEAT UP CHRIS REID AGAIN. -LOAF

03-16-2005, 05:07	#21
Dyret Super Carrot! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 2,437	I forgot to add the sarcasm tags when i wrote "evil". I thought it was quite obvious. __________________ Glory to the many

03-16-2005, 05:25	#22
Maj.Striker Swabbie Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Des Moines Posts: 2,067	Still waiting to play this one...it may be the only mod of the recent three I can run on my pc. Privateer Remake locks up about 5 minutes into the game and I can't see any of the equipment to purchase, Standoff runs but also locks up indiscriminantly (I'm assuming it's an XP issue). I do know I can run Freespace 2 though...

03-16-2005, 05:36	#23
Tolwyn Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Luna Starbase Posts: 1,291	Greetings, faithful fans! This is just a quick update on our progress towards releasing the Wing Commander Saga Prologue. We are in the last months of our game dev cycle and despite our widely divergent schedules and area or Country codes, the experience has been well met. There are some house cleaning things and last repairs to take care of before we can go to the next step. I'm sorry, but although new screenshots were promised, I have not had the time to prepare them. Rest assured, however, that they will be updated before week's end! Our bug-hunting efforts have progressed well during the past weeks, and we are happy to say that the delay has been positive - the final release of the Prologue will be a much cleaner game than it would have been. I hope this has helped clear up any confusion. As always, if there are any questions or comments, let us know! Keep the faith - Wing Commander Saga Prologue will be soon available! __________________ Wing Commander Saga \| WingCenter

03-17-2005, 08:39	#24
gevatter Lars Colonel Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 1,206	@Tolwyn Oh man you know how to keep us busy...telling them anything from soon release and so ^__^ Well their has been quite some progress... Frigate, Destroyer and Cruiser class ships have been updated and carrier will follow (aka Caernaven, Sheffield, Tallahassee and Ranger) I am also waiting to see the final results on the Ranger experiment...if it works...well you will see. On my own department I am developing new shine-maps that give the model some nice details when watched in the right light. Starman should have nearly all Missions ready and the voiceaction also seams to get finished. Their are also some new HUD graphics in development and music and sound FX. That all sounds like a lot of progress but it also is quite some work...means that we have to do quite some bughunting, cleaning our folders and so. So Tolwnys "soon" is still quite relative (ok I am passimist ^_^ ) __________________ I give suggar in my coffee, and the coffee just gets totaly depressed, because I can't accept him, as he is.

03-17-2005, 09:24	#25
Sphynx Major Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 516	Yes, but I think this time when Tolwyn says "soon," it actually means what most people think by the word "soon." Of course, since he's an Admiral he gets to have a little freedom with definitions. But, it really is close (that doesn't mean the rest of the work to be done is easy, though).

03-17-2005, 10:22	#27
gevatter Lars Colonel Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 1,206	Thats right thats why I am doing new one. If you mean the general lightning...well thats everyones personal thing. At the moment the taste ranges from Ambient ~70, very dark but realistic to ~100 which is more like the WC3 lightning and you can even see the details on the "dark" side of the ships. At the moment I have asked not to release any pictures of the things I am working on, cause I don't want to give the people any hopes and then I can't keep up to what I promised. If it works out well you will become a complete picture collection. __________________ I give suggar in my coffee, and the coffee just gets totaly depressed, because I can't accept him, as he is. Last edited by gevatter Lars; 03-17-2005 at 10:40.

03-17-2005, 11:32	#29
Chicken 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a land far far away Posts: 296	It's probably asked before, but is there going to be some multiplayer mayhem? __________________ Yessir, I think I'm back.

03-17-2005, 12:37	#31
Sphynx Major Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 516	Yes, by winter 2066 I should have enough free time to actually play the thing! I can understand that everyone is tugging at the reigns (believe me, I feel the same way). However long it may be, I really feel comfortable saying that it will be worth the wait.

03-17-2005, 13:08	#33
Sphynx Major Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 516	Ah, yes. Winter 2666. Maybe I'll have enough for retirement by then (although I can't vouch for my flying reflexes at that age! ). __________________ What we perceive is more a representation of our current identity rather than of our environment. "Love is opening up space for the existence of another." -Humberto Maturana

03-17-2005, 13:28	#35
Tolwyn Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Luna Starbase Posts: 1,291	the compressed package won't make much difference. 20mb at most. __________________ Wing Commander Saga \| WingCenter

03-17-2005, 13:30	#36
gevatter Lars Colonel Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 1,206	You should be able to run the mod with your installation of FS2, but their could be some problems...for example with your pilot. Using your old Pilot you would loose your "savegame" of the FS campaine. Also the differance in size without the FS2 files is small...when you have allready downloaded the rest of the mod the FS files just take a small part...I guess about 2-3% of the entire pack. __________________ I give suggar in my coffee, and the coffee just gets totaly depressed, because I can't accept him, as he is.

03-17-2005, 13:41	#37
luminon 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: London UK Posts: 186	Thanks for the replies. That's surprising. I would have thought that the freespace files would have taken up more space than that. An extra 20MB is nothing for a modern hard disk, so I guess I'll just stick with whatever you have done. I'd also like to add that I'm really looking forward to this mod. You have done a great job from what I have seen so far.

03-17-2005, 17:38	#38
Sphynx Major Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 516	As for the FS files, let's just say that in WC Saga, a whole lot of files have been replaced by the team members. You'll be very surprised, and pleasantly so, I believe. Let's just say I think it is a very nice blend of WC, FS, and a little bit of personal style from the creative team. I don't think you'll be dissapointed. __________________ What we perceive is more a representation of our current identity rather than of our environment. "Love is opening up space for the existence of another." -Humberto Maturana

03-18-2005, 09:00	#42
Tolwyn Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Luna Starbase Posts: 1,291	on the other hand, luminon, the full game will contain almost no FS2 files __________________ Wing Commander Saga \| WingCenter

03-20-2005, 14:31	#43
Lynx Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austria. Not Australia. Posts: 1,322	Yeah, the interfac is one of my biggest dislikes there. But if the rumors are true, we'll get an easy to mess with template file sometime in the future that'd allow us to make fancy WCish computer interfaces with screen borders around them and all. __________________ Stupidity - Winners never quit, and quitters never win. But those who never quit and never win are stupid.

03-20-2005, 16:47	#44
Dyret Super Carrot! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 2,437	That's nice. Will you get it before the demo release? __________________ Glory to the many

03-31-2005, 07:12	#46
climber 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St Davids, Wales Posts: 171	I want saga now, surely the time is ripe. How long do you think it will be chaps. I realise that you all have other things to do as well and these things take time but in my defence I am inherently impatient and want to play a new WC very very soon. Any idea would sooth the soul

04-01-2005, 06:42	#47
gevatter Lars Colonel Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 1,206	Can't say any date but as soon as the betatesting for the prologue is finished and hopefully all the bugs are gone. You see we have some progress going...its not that long anymore...I guess ^_^ __________________ I give suggar in my coffee, and the coffee just gets totaly depressed, because I can't accept him, as he is.

04-01-2005, 06:56	#48
Tolwyn Brigadier General Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Luna Starbase Posts: 1,291	well it depends on how many bugs will be encountered while beta testing, but I am confident that the heavier ones are already gone. The exact release date depends on the engine development by the SCP team. Actually the release could be in two weeks. But it could also take 8 weeks to implement features we need. On the other hand: I'd like to ask people for patience. Otherwise give me the magic formula for creating a huge game like this in a 3 months with a team that is on a part time schedule. Believe it or not, we want this game completed more than anyone but we are not going to release a buggy, boring and visually lacking product. __________________ Wing Commander Saga \| WingCenter Last edited by Tolwyn; 04-01-2005 at 07:02.

04-01-2005, 07:37	#49
climber 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St Davids, Wales Posts: 171	that is fair enough chaps. I can understand that you can't rush these things. We all want it to look and play great. I'm just a naturally impatient type of guy. Helps get things done I find. Keep me posted and I will be a happy teddy.