The WC3 'Heart Of The Tiger' Movie Project

[Queeg]

Hi, I've been into wing commander for a few years, I started off with WC3 and loved it, then went onto IV and V (Prophecy). But wing commander III is my favourite, I wanted to create a wing commander III movie. I wasn't sure if anyone had done it before, I didn't think to check the forums until after I had started it. I found this website recently and figured the best place to share the movie would be on these forums.

So enough of the introduction, I have a few questions before I put the movie up. Sample enclosed at the bottom.

Questions:

1. Am I allowed to do this and post it here?

2. Would I need permission to use scenes cut from the game which I downloaded of this website?

3. Is anyone interested in this project being carried out?

Finally, here is a sample of the movie

Sample - 12mb Wmv

[ChrisReid]

This is exactly what AD is currently doing with WC4. http://www.wcnews.com/news/update/6890 There's quite a bit of information and discussion in regards to that project that would apply to your project. The quality and completeness of the project would probably be higher if you had a way to extract the clips yourself as well. Permission for stuff you downloaded depends on the nature of the item you're using. Either way, it would be good to make sure you credit everything you use.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

This is exactly what AD is currently doing with WC4. http://www.wcnews.com/news/update/6890 There's quite a bit of information and discussion in regards to that project that would apply to your project. The quality and completeness of the project would probably be higher if you had a way to extract the clips yourself as well. Permission for stuff you downloaded depends on the nature of the item you're using. Either way, it would be good to make sure you credit everything you use.

When you say extract the clips yourself, do you mean the FMV seqeuences? Because I Did extract all of them from my own WC3 discs. The only ones I wasn't able to extract were ones that were cut from the game, since they aren't on the discs. The clips that were cut from the game and the background music are the Only things that I did not extract from the discs. I will certainly give credit to the WC CIC website in the credits, the main question I'm asking is: Will this movie be somewhat successful in its current state?

[ChrisReid]

Yeah, it should be. I'd talk with AD to see if he can give you some advice on editing and such. He's been working hard on his version for over a year and can probably help you along. The final product should also be compressed quite a bit less. Stuff like you posted is fine for samples, but if you're extracting the actual video, you'll want as much quality to follow through to your final movie. The CIC can host large files that fan projects produce.

[AD]

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

Yeah, it should be. I'd talk with AD to see if he can give you some advice on editing and such. He's been working hard on his version for over a year and can probably help you along. The final product should also be compressed quite a bit less. Stuff like you posted is fine for samples, but if you're extracting the actual video, you'll want as much quality to follow through to your final movie. The CIC can host large files that fan projects produce.

Hehehe you make it sound like I spent the whole year doing nothing but that... But I ended Up with a couple month delay while I resolved some hardware issues. Progress is up to speed again and when I do work on it I tend to get focussed and forget everything else. (though my map project kinda in and of itself indicated I get focussed on other things from time to time ) Anyway I've ramped up production and should have some results to show for it hopefully sooner than later.

Anyway I'm downloading your clip Queeg so I'll let you know what I think. (it's uploading slow... download speed would be another advantage to letting the CIC host your files) Are you trying to be all inclusive? Or are you going to try and maintain a pacing and focus more akin to a feature film you would go see at the theater? (the later is my objective)

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

Yeah, it should be. I'd talk with AD to see if he can give you some advice on editing and such. He's been working hard on his version for over a year and can probably help you along. The final product should also be compressed quite a bit less. Stuff like you posted is fine for samples, but if you're extracting the actual video, you'll want as much quality to follow through to your final movie. The CIC can host large files that fan projects produce.

~~~ I have actually finished the whole project, I just wanted to check that I was keeping to the rules before I uploaded the whole movie and everything. I used xvid Avi for the final compresson and it ended up at around 500mb (movie is 2 hours and 20 minutes long). I think I shall need to recompress it less as you said, since the quality isn't great in some places. I would be happy to upload the movie to CIC, I just don't know how. Thanks for being so supportive

Originally Posted by AD

Anyway I'm downloading your clip Queeg so I'll let you know what I think. (it's uploading slow... download speed would be another advantage to letting the CIC host your files) Are you trying to be all inclusive? Or are you going to try and maintain a pacing and focus more akin to a feature film you would go see at the theater? (the later is my objective)

I wasn't trying to be all inclusive, I just thought it would be a little hasty to just turn up, make one post and expect someone to store my files ~~~. If the movie is alright as it is then should I upload as soon as possible?

[AD]

Originally Posted by Queeg

I wasn't trying to be all inclusive, I just thought it would be a little hasty to just turn up, make one post and expect someone to store my files ~~~. If the movie is alright as it is then should I upload as soon as possible?

Part of the equasion needs ne be whether or not *you* are ahappy with it. If' you're not, why should we be?

Second. Taking your time to do a good product will show in the final product. There's nothing wrong with working fast, as long as the results don't look too hurried. This isn't some kind of race.

The other thing needed is how coherent the final product is. If for example one mission has you in Sol sector and then all the sudden you are in proxima with no indication of how you got there or even why you're there, you could possibly loose your audience wh may now be more busy scratching their heads to be able to pay attention to a upcoming crucial scene.

On another note, how many Gameplay videos did you end up making?

[Raptor_Pilot]

I checked out your sample and it was awesome. Great work. I never played WCIII but I want to play it so bad it hurts. Thanks for the few minutes of entertainment I got at 3:47 am.

We must have more of these.....

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by AD

Part of the equasion needs ne be whether or not *you* are ahappy with it. If' you're not, why should we be?

Second. Taking your time to do a good product will show in the final product. There's nothing wrong with working fast, as long as the results don't look too hurried. This isn't some kind of race.

The other thing needed is how coherent the final product is. If for example one mission has you in Sol sector and then all the sudden you are in proxima with no indication of how you got there or even why you're there, you could possibly loose your audience wh may now be more busy scratching their heads to be able to pay attention to a upcoming crucial scene.

On another note, how many Gameplay videos did you end up making?

I ended up making 17 missions (last one has 3 parts) flash dual and under attack 1& 2 included, is that too little or too much I'm wondering. I am quite happy with how it is now, perhaps someone would like to watch it and tell me if its ready or not? I'm pretty sure the story makes sense but I find it hard to tell if its because I know the story or because it really does make sense. Anyway I would be very grateful if someone would like to watch it and give constructive criticism.

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

I checked out your sample and it was awesome. Great work. I never played WCIII but I want to play it so bad it hurts. Thanks for the few minutes of entertainment I got at 3:47 am.

We must have more of these.....

Cool thanks

[Raptor_Pilot]

I'll watch your movie, like I said I never played WCIII, so I can watch the movie to see if it fits together for you. If you would want me to anyway.

4:23am still no sleep. Sorry if I'm not making sense.

[AD]

Originally Posted by Queeg

I ended up making 17 missions (last one has 3 parts) flash dual and under attack 1& 2 included, is that too little or too much I'm wondering. I am quite happy with how it is now, perhaps someone would like to watch it and tell me if its ready or not? I'm pretty sure the story makes sense but I find it hard to tell if its because I know the story or because it really does make sense. Anyway I would be very grateful if someone would like to watch it and give constructive criticism.

Hmm, in 2 hours, seventeen sounds high though especially if that is counting the three parts as one sequence. What are their average legnth? I would worry about them becoming repetitive and boring. I'm stuggling with that issue with my project. You definitely don't want to cut out anything that would be needed for the story but In my case I am certainly trying to keep the number and length of the gameplay bits down. I Don't mind watching it and giving you suggestions but I don't really want to download 1GB at 5kbps.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

I'll watch your movie, like I said I never played WCIII, so I can watch the movie to see if it fits together for you. If you would want me to anyway.

4:23am still no sleep. Sorry if I'm not making sense.

That would be perfect . Since your not familiar with the story you'll be able to see if it makes sense the way it is. If you really don't mind watching it, how would you like it to be sent, ftp, IRC etc?

Originally Posted by AD

Hmm, in 2 hours, seventeen sounds high though especially if that is counting the three parts as one sequence. What are their average legnth? I would worry about them becoming repetitive and boring. I'm stuggling with that issue with my project. You definitely don't want to cut out anything that would be needed for the story but In my case I am certainly trying to keep the number and length of the gameplay bits down. I Don't mind watching it and giving you suggestions but I don't really want to download 1GB at 5kbps.

Well the missions are around 1-3 minutes, I tried to make them as interesting as possible using a variety of background music and using the chase camera a lot so as its not just a view of the cockpit. The final mission spaceflight is just under 6 minutes (including paladin briefings). I did think over 2 hours was a little long but I just couldn't find anything left to cut that didn't seem important to the story...

[AD]

Originally Posted by Queeg

That would be perfect . Since your not familiar with the story you'll be able to see if it makes sense the way it is. If you really don't mind watching it, how would you like it to be sent, ftp, IRC etc?



Well the missions are around 1-3 minutes, I tried to make them as interesting as possible using a variety of background music and using the chase camera a lot so as its not just a view of the cockpit. The final mission spaceflight is just under 6 minutes (including paladin briefings). I did think over 2 hours was a little long but I just couldn't find anything left to cut that didn't seem important to the story...

It sounds like you're on the right track here. As far as sending the file to people, FTP is probably the easiest.

But if theres a higher speed one that can host it for you that would be best.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by AD

It sounds like you're on the right track here. As far as sending the file to people, FTP is probably the easiest.

But if theres a higher speed one that can host it for you that would be best.

Well I didn't mean FTP permenantly, I just meant for Raptor Pilot for him to see if the film needs more work along with perhaps you if you wanted to watch it. I could upload it to yousendit but it wouldn't last long with a 7 day expire. But thank you for saying I'm on the right track, I feel a little more confident now

[AD]

Originally Posted by Queeg

Well I didn't mean FTP permenantly, I just meant for Raptor Pilot for him to see if the film needs more work along with perhaps you if you wanted to watch it. I could upload it to yousendit but it wouldn't last long with a 7 day expire. But thank you for saying I'm on the right track, I feel a little more confident now

Seven days is probably enough for the few people you want to see it so that they can provide you with feedback. Also, I'm sure you you contact chris, it could be uploaded to the CIC's server and kept non-public so that only those who you give it to vould access it Until you decide that it's the finished version or not. If it is... voila, it's already there and ready for the news update.

(I'd be happy to watch it for you... as long as I don't have to download it from the server you had the sample on)

[Raptor_Pilot]

Quote:
That would be perfect . Since your not familiar with the story you'll be able to see if it makes sense the way it is. If you really don't mind watching it, how would you like it to be sent, ftp, IRC etc?

Umm, I don't know. How big is it? Is there a way it could be Emailed to me? My Internet access is spotty at best (damn wireless). But as long as I can click on something and download it that would be fine, or send as attachment, or messenger pigeon, or something.

1:07 am I'm still awake. I don't know whats wrong with me...

[Raptor_Pilot]

What the H--L is FTP anyway, its been a couple years of no computer I'm a little rusty.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

Quote:
Umm, I don't know. How big is it? Is there a way it could be Emailed to me? My Internet access is spotty at best (damn wireless). But as long as I can click on something and download it that would be fine, or send as attachment, or messenger pigeon, or something.

1:07 am I'm still awake. I don't know whats wrong with me...

I don't have any servers appart from that one, email would not work well at all.

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

Quote:
What the H--L is FTP anyway, its been a couple years of no computer I'm a little rusty.

File transfer protocol, like a website but just for downloading and uploading files.

[Raptor_Pilot]

OK where do I go and what do I do? If there is a URL or something email it to me, or just drop a email with some instructions on where to go to see the movie. My email is in my profile. I'm new to this whole FTP thing.

[Raptor_Pilot]

Yeah I don't really have a clue but I just want to see the movie... I watched the sample two more times... I am really bored right now...

OK make that ten times. Can't wait to see the whole movie.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

Yeah I don't really have a clue but I just want to see the movie... I watched the sample two more times... I am really bored right now...

OK make that ten times. Can't wait to see the whole movie.

~~~ sorry I kept you waiting, I'll upload the file to yousendit and email you the link

[AD]

Originally Posted by Queeg

~~~ sorry I kept you waiting, I'll upload the file to yousendit and email you the link

If you want a second opinion go ahead and email me the link. I'd be happy to let you know what I think.

[Raptor_Pilot]

I'll be waiting for your email...

In case it doesn't show on my profile its Dengar12000@yahoo.com

[TomGaines]

I have just watched your sample. I really liked it! I think you have integrated the flight sequences very well.

[Queeg]

the yousendit upload failed, sending ftp link. Make sure you have resume capabilities, my internet modem keeps rebooting.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by AD

If you want a second opinion go ahead and email me the link. I'd be happy to let you know what I think.

Sure as soon as ive sent it to Raptor Pilot

Originally Posted by TomGaines

I have just watched your sample. I really liked it! I think you have integrated the flight sequences very well

Cool thanks

[Raptor_Pilot]

How big is the total movie file? I think I saw 500mb somewhere. I can handle 1GB in my email inbox and it's empty right now. Are you sure you can't send as attachment?
If you can't, then email me FTP link and I'll get it that way.
Well, you're a busy person, and whenever you can send it will be fine. I have all day and night. I don't start school again til monday.

My email: Dengar12000@Yahoo.com

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

How big is the total movie file? I think I saw 500mb somewhere. I can handle 1GB in my email inbox and it's empty right now. Are you sure you can't send as attachment?
If you can't, then email me FTP link and I'll get it that way.
Well, you're a busy person, and whenever you can send it will be fine. I have all day and night. I don't start school again til monday.

My email: Dengar12000@Yahoo.com

ok i'll try an email the file

[Queeg]

It wont let me send an email that big, emailing ftp link...

[Raptor_Pilot]

I am so excited I can hardly wait... AHHHHHHH!!! MOVIES!!!

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

I am so excited I can hardly wait... AHHHHHHH!!! MOVIES!!!

Let me know if theres any problems....although I'm running out of ideas here...

[Raptor_Pilot]

You were sending FTP link? Did you send the link? I haven't gotten any email.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Raptor_Pilot

You were sending FTP link? Did you send the link? I haven't gotten any email.

yes I did send it, I'll try PM then

[Don]

First to say to Queeg great work on making the WC3 film, even though i haven't seen it yet...

and second, to cut to the chase, why don't you at least post the FTP link here to this thread and not make it an individual site party...Im sure there are other people that have noticed your work but haven't had the chance to look at it cos of this . (Unless im wrong and missed it somewhere)

Another thing, bit of a surprise that wcnews have not actually posted Queegs work on their daily news update of the website. Why's that?

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Don

First to say to Queeg great work on making the WC3 film, even though i haven't seen it yet...

and second, to cut to the chase, why don't you at least post the FTP link here to this thread and not make it an individual site party...Im sure there are other people that have noticed your work but haven't had the chance to look at it cos of this . (Unless im wrong and missed it somewhere)

Another thing, bit of a surprise that wcnews have not actually posted Queegs work on their daily news update of the website. Why's that?

Well that would be a good idea to post the link except, I host the FTP site myself and of course there is very little bandwidth, I tried again with yousendit and it comes up with page cannot be displayed after about an hour, same happens on all similar upload sites. I'm open to any suggestions appart from email which is out of the question.

[Don]

The wcnews team should be able to give you some help about uploading to their server...i really don't know. Ask AD, since he gave in some really large sample clips of his work recently (WC4 DVD).

Also, i was able to see your sample clip...great work.

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by Don

The wcnews team should be able to give you some help about uploading to their server...i really don't know. Ask AD, since he gave in some really large sample clips of his work recently (WC4 DVD).

Also, i was able to see your sample clip...great work.

Good idea, Thanks Don

[AD]

Originally Posted by Don

The wcnews team should be able to give you some help about uploading to their server...i really don't know. Ask AD, since he gave in some really large sample clips of his work recently (WC4 DVD).

Also, i was able to see your sample clip...great work.

If you really want to post the movie as a public free-for-all, you chould download some kind of ftp client software like smartftp or something better. That one atleast has a free trial that never *really* seems to run out. Then get on IRC or email the CIC. THey should be able to fill you in on how to connect to the ftp and upload the file. If you are still thinking about doing some changes or anything based on mine or Raptor_Pilots viewing of it then it won't hurt everyone to wait a few days until you are ready to do that. But you should still contact the CIC staff about it personally. (after all Chris already mentioned early in the thread that the CIC would most likely be able to host it for you)

[maniac89]

Uhh . . . qustion:
So, to extract the movies from the disc, you just open the files from it, locate the movies and extract them. Right?
Sorry if I'm off topic, I'm just bad at that

[AD]

Originally Posted by maniac89

Uhh . . . qustion:
So, to extract the movies from the disc, you just open the files from it, locate the movies and extract them. Right?
Sorry if I'm off topic, I'm just bad at that

WC4DVD yes. wc3,4 CD you just need HCls Movie player

[maniac89]

Cool, awesome, thanks!

The Maniac

[maniac89]

Uhhhh . . . tiny little problem here:
When I open up the movie player, (I'm using this for Prophecy) I click on the file and all the movies come up like they're supposed too, but when I click on one of them and press Play or Rip to AVI, nothing happens! What am I doing wrong?

The Maniac

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by AD

If you really want to post the movie as a public free-for-all, you chould download some kind of ftp client software like smartftp or something better. That one atleast has a free trial that never *really* seems to run out. Then get on IRC or email the CIC. THey should be able to fill you in on how to connect to the ftp and upload the file. If you are still thinking about doing some changes or anything based on mine or Raptor_Pilots viewing of it then it won't hurt everyone to wait a few days until you are ready to do that. But you should still contact the CIC staff about it personally. (after all Chris already mentioned early in the thread that the CIC would most likely be able to host it for you)

Yes I have an FTP client already, I just need to get the ip address or hostname. I was hoping to send it to you and Raptor Pilo first. But I'll go on IRC to talk to them.

Originally Posted by Maniac89

Uhhhh . . . tiny little problem here:
When I open up the movie player, (I'm using this for Prophecy) I click on the file and all the movies come up like they're supposed too, but when I click on one of them and press Play or Rip to AVI, nothing happens! What am I doing wrong?

The Maniac

Did you rip one file and then it stopped working? If so, it always gets extracted to rip.avi, so you need to rename it after every rip...

[maniac89]

No, I didn't rip ANY, and when I try nothing happens.

The Maniac

[Queeg]

Originally Posted by maniac89

No, I didn't rip ANY, and when I try nothing happens.

The Maniac

dang, sorry I can't help you...

[AD]

Originally Posted by maniac89

No, I didn't rip ANY, and when I try nothing happens.

The Maniac

Have you tried setting the compatability mode?

[maniac89]

Ummm . . . 2 questions . . .
What comp. mode do I set it to and when I go to Properties, it has no compatibility.

[AD]

Originally Posted by maniac89

Ummm . . . 2 questions . . .
What comp. mode do I set it to and when I go to Properties, it has no compatibility.

what OS are you running? In xp rightclick on the program and chose properties. then click the compatabilty tab and chose either win96 or 98

See if that helps. YOu sould also try uninstalling it and reinstalling it first though

[maniac89]

Originally Posted by AD

what OS are you running? In xp rightclick on the program and chose properties. then click the compatabilty tab and chose either win96 or 98

See if that helps. YOu sould also try uninstalling it and reinstalling it first though

My OS is XP, and I don't know what's happening, but there is no compatibility tab when I click on Properties!

The Maniac

P.S. I also uninstalled then reinstalled it.

[AD]

Originally Posted by maniac89

My OS is XP, and I don't know what's happening, but there is no compatibility tab when I click on Properties!

The Maniac

P.S. I also uninstalled then reinstalled it.

are you running version 1.2a? And the file you should be running is wcplayer (not wcmv). When you right-click a menu apears and you chose properties yes? Comptability should be the third tab over at the top of the window that comes up. If that doesn't work... I don't know. do you have any other memory resident programs running in the background? Try turning everything unnecessary as well.