New Gamefaqs Poll feat. WC

ChanceKell · 08-12-2009, 06:27

No doubt due to the news the other day about EA looking to revive old franchises, GameFaqs.com has a new poll of the day on their frontpage, "Which classic EA-owned property would you most like to see new games from?" - and Wing Commander is a choice!

The saddest thing, though, at 10:30am EDT, "I haven't heard of any of these" leads with 34% -- and that's against 7 classic series!

Since GameFaqs.com is sponsored by a major gaming site, we'd ought to show our support for OUR favorite property, no?

Wedge009 · 08-12-2009, 06:30

Very sad indeed.

I can't say I recall Road Rash, the current lead as at 14:30 UTC (besides the "haven't heard of" option). But I've cast my vote for WC.

Dundradal · 08-12-2009, 07:01

Vote cast...

Bandit LOAF · 08-12-2009, 07:06

I know Road Rash -- but only because EA Replay for the PSP included three Road Rash games.

Vinman · 08-12-2009, 08:59

Aaaaahhhhhhh!!!

frostytheplebe · 08-12-2009, 11:00

I remember playing Road Rash on PSX, it was one of the early titles. Had some pretty good music too.

QuailPilot · 08-12-2009, 16:01

It's sad that the "I haven't heard of any of these" is wining.

Justice · 08-12-2009, 17:09

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Originally Posted by QuailPilot

It's sad that the "I haven't heard of any of these" is wining.

That's what my coworkers and I were all saying today, too.

Rittmeister · 08-12-2009, 19:29

the only real great choices are:
Wing commander
System Shock
Ultima

well. over 30% of voters dont know any of these games... It's a symptom of a dumbed down society that even penetrates gamers. They sure know crap like "the sims".
What a shame WC is even behind Theme Park...

Bar-None · 08-12-2009, 20:08

Well, that was short lived.
New poll now: Have your parents ever taken away games as punishment?

I wouldn't worry too much about the 'never heard of any of these' category taking the win, this site clearly caters for a FAR younger audience...

acoote · 08-12-2009, 20:14

Argh no! We are all a dying breed! Really sad that so many have not heard of a classic such as Wing Commander. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "defined" my childhood, but its definitely one of my fonder childhood memories. Wonder if there will be such dedicated fan sites like this one for a game like Halo in 15 years (if they halt the franchise in the next few years).

ChrisReid · 08-12-2009, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rittmeister

well. over 30% of voters dont know any of these games... It's a symptom of a dumbed down society that even penetrates gamers. They sure know crap like "the sims".

It's just a simple demographic shift. The average gamefaqs visitor was five years old when the last major WC game was released.

Bar-None · 08-12-2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by acoote

Argh no! We are all a dying breed! Really sad that so many have not heard of a classic such as Wing Commander. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "defined" my childhood, but its definitely one of my fonder childhood memories. Wonder if there will be such dedicated fan sites like this one for a game like Halo in 15 years (if they halt the franchise in the next few years).

I think Halo makes FAR too much money to ever be halted. I've been wrong before though...

Jason_Ryock · 08-12-2009, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisReid

It's just a simple demographic shift. The average gamefaqs visitor was five years old when the last major WC game was released.

As I told LOAF and some others on IRC tonight, I believe the generation that will use GameFAQs will always be younger, not because they 'grew up with it' or it 'didn't exist' sooner, but because the older generations appreciate accomplishing hard work, where the younger generation would rather see someone else do the hard work so they can earn the achievements.

I am extremely disappointed that so few people have heard of Wing Commander, especially given that it had a major motion picture, and not only did it have a major motion picture but EVERYTIME a video-game based movie is made, they drag the Wing Commander movie through the mud as a prime example of how bad video game movies can be.

(Which is really just ignorance - why aren't they this hard on the Doom movie? At least the Wing Commander movie had a plot.)

Mace · 08-13-2009, 02:58

Over here when they broadcast the movie, they do not relate it to the game series, some TV-guides do, but the network does not.

The movie holds well on it's own. The worst game>movie adaption would be "Super Mario Bros", with "Double dragon" coming in a close second.

If you go the dvd-store here, you'll find the movie in the same slots as "enemy mine", "krull", "space truckers", and the original battlestar galactica, and all of these are cult classics.

Natreg · 08-13-2009, 05:38

heh

4 out of 7 are Origin Games.

I would like to see sequels to those 4 games myself. I'm a big Ultima fan, with Wing commander and System shock being among my favourite games of all time.

Crusader I'm not that much of a fan, but I think it would make a good shooter, unless they want to revive the game using the same perspective that both crusaders had.

Bandit LOAF · 08-13-2009, 05:50

I like Crusader, but I don't think it has anything going for it today that would make a relaunch worth pursuing -- no one is a huge fan of the Crusader universe, are they? The IP boils down to 1) the distinct isometric view and 2) blowing stuff up and killing people. The former seems like it'd be awful hard to sell... and without it you're describing every FPS in the world. (Maybe you could do a Crusader XBLA/PSN game -- but even then branding it as Gears of War or Army of Two or something just makes better financial sense.)

(Wing Commander and Ultima have a lot of prestige associated with them; they're second or even tied with the iD shooters for overall impact on the modern gaming industry... and their names alone still have a lot of cachet.

The problem with Wing Commander is that a proper relaunch is going to cost a LOT of money. EA is interested in spending that money, but they want some guarantee that there's an interest in the IP -- Arena was one attempt to generate that and we may see some similarly small project in the future.

The problem with Ultima is that the IP is inexorably linked to its figurehead, who is a crazy person.

It's sort of an odd rock and a hard place situation - no one wants to see an Ultima X that *isn't* from Richard Garriott... and no one wants to play whatever Richard Garriott thinks is a good idea for Ultima X.

Dyret · 08-13-2009, 07:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rittmeister

well. over 30% of voters dont know any of these games... It's a symptom of a dumbed down society that even penetrates gamers. They sure know crap like "the sims".

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Quarto · 08-13-2009, 08:13

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Originally Posted by Bandit LOAF

I like Crusader, but I don't think it has anything going for it today that would make a relaunch worth pursuing -- no one is a huge fan of the Crusader universe, are they?

Ummm... well, actually...

Seriously, I agree with your points, Crusader as an IP doesn't exist. It's in an even worse situation that WC - for several years after its release, until Dosbox became popular, it was just too much of a pain to get it running.

...But, what Crusader had (and I am fully aware that this is not in the least bit noteworthy to the general public, and for that reason, neither to the people making these decisions), is a really, really deep storyline. It was fantastic in that regard, just like every other Origin game of the time. This wasn't, strcitly speaking, something built into the game. In the mid-1990s, Origin could have made Space Invaders, and their writing department would throw in a manual that would make everyone think this Space Invaders had more depth than every other game in the universe (other Origin titles excepted). That's how it was with Crusader - it was a game about blowing stuff up, advertised as having nine different ways to kill people, but the people who wrote the manual turned it into a really great piece of (political) science fiction.

Darkmage · 08-13-2009, 08:59

Slashdot is also covering the news on EA updating franchise trademarks.

Bandit LOAF · 08-13-2009, 09:08

Who would have thought that Slashdot would cover a story about a giant company trademarking something. I'm sure their posters will be busy all night coming up with clever new comments about this topic.

Falcon988 · 08-13-2009, 16:16

Going off what LOAF said, realistically speaking I honest to god don't know if there's sufficient interest in the space sim genre right now for EA to do a serious relaunch of Wing Commander. My intuition says no.

I really do believe there's people at EA who would love to bring back Wing Commander but that's an expensive endeavor to do it well. Lots of financial risk and it seems, to me, like the market of the 'mainstream gamer' is today focused on MMOs, first/third person shooters, etc. And Tolkien inspired fantasy seems to be the fad right now instead of 'Star Warsy' sci-fi.

I'm pretty confident that we will see a full scale WC relaunch one day. There's just too many people who grew up with it and have lots of fond memories, and a lot of those people work in the VG industry. It's practically inevitable that a developer will say "Hey, I loved Wing Commander when I was little, wouldn't it be sweet to bring it back?" and start making it.

Space sims are a great genre. Lots of fun, lots of untapped potential. They'll make a comeback at some point and the moment they do we'll be seeing some fresh Wing Commander.

Bar-None · 08-13-2009, 20:04

As sad as this is to say, I agree with Falcon. There isn't enough interest in the younger generations because they're just playing whatever gets shoved down their throats nowadays. I wonder when the last time someone under the age of 20 bought a joystick was.

God I feel old...

Natreg · 08-13-2009, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quarto

Ummm... well, actually...

Seriously, I agree with your points, Crusader as an IP doesn't exist. It's in an even worse situation that WC - for several years after its release, until Dosbox became popular, it was just too much of a pain to get it running.

...But, what Crusader had (and I am fully aware that this is not in the least bit noteworthy to the general public, and for that reason, neither to the people making these decisions), is a really, really deep storyline. It was fantastic in that regard, just like every other Origin game of the time. This wasn't, strcitly speaking, something built into the game. In the mid-1990s, Origin could have made Space Invaders, and their writing department would throw in a manual that would make everyone think this Space Invaders had more depth than every other game in the universe (other Origin titles excepted). That's how it was with Crusader - it was a game about blowing stuff up, advertised as having nine different ways to kill people, but the people who wrote the manual turned it into a really great piece of (political) science fiction.

Exactly my thoughts. I really miss Origin game manuals (& cluebooks).

The ultima ones are among my favourites, but they did a lot of good ones. The wing commanders, the Knights of Legend. They knew how to add depth to their games.

About sequels, well Ultima's storyline did end, so if they relaunch it, it would be a new one.

Wing Commander, Crussader and System Shock storylines did not end, so those ones do deserve a sequel.

Of course the problerm with those is that a new game where you start in the middle of an already established storyline could be a bit more difficult to market than a completely new one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandit LOAF

The problem with Ultima is that the IP is inexorably linked to its figurehead, who is a crazy person.

It's sort of an odd rock and a hard place situation - no one wants to see an Ultima X that *isn't* from Richard Garriott... and no one wants to play whatever Richard Garriott thinks is a good idea for Ultima X.

Well... not really. Have you played Lazarus? It's the remake of Ultima V, and it really has the Ultima feel there. If EA wanted to relaunch the Ultima series they should really look at how that game did things. Same for Wing Commander. I consider Standoff the game to follow in this case.

Death · 08-14-2009, 09:21

Umm, if it's a remake of an old Ultima, then by design it's linked to RG, unless they're going the Privateer Remake route and slapping on a bunch of "wouldn't it be great if..." fanwanks that ignore what made the original great in the first place.

(I dunno either way. Ultima never really interested me, so remakes thereof get similarly limited interest.)

Tarquinn · 08-17-2009, 02:53

I'm rather surprised that Road Rash has won that poll. (Not Ultima.) Never really paid much attention to the Road Rash series.

Kaunisto · 08-17-2009, 21:51

I liked Road Rash on Sega Master System back when and that's surely not the best version there is.
Then again judging the PC version by demo, the 5 years more modern game had weaker playability.

08-12-2009, 06:27	#1
ChanceKell Captain Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 431	New Gamefaqs Poll feat. WC No doubt due to the news the other day about EA looking to revive old franchises, GameFaqs.com has a new poll of the day on their frontpage, "Which classic EA-owned property would you most like to see new games from?" - and Wing Commander is a choice! The saddest thing, though, at 10:30am EDT, "I haven't heard of any of these" leads with 34% -- and that's against 7 classic series! Since GameFaqs.com is sponsored by a major gaming site, we'd ought to show our support for OUR favorite property, no? __________________ "Hey! Hey! Living in a cave is cool! Batman lives in a cave!" - Osama bin Laden (Courtesy, SNL)

08-12-2009, 06:30	#2
Wedge009 Rogue Leader Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 9,284	Very sad indeed. I can't say I recall Road Rash, the current lead as at 14:30 UTC (besides the "haven't heard of" option). But I've cast my vote for WC. __________________ Soli Deo Gloria \| wedge009.net

08-12-2009, 07:01	#3
Dundradal TCS Tarawa (CVE-8) "Plank Owner" Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Confederate Archives, Confed HQ, Sol System Posts: 5,033	Vote cast... __________________ "To you, we are deeply grateful, and release what little hold we might, as Durandal, have had on your soul. Go." - Final Terminal Message Marathon Infinity

08-12-2009, 07:06	#4
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 25,571	I know Road Rash -- but only because EA Replay for the PSP included three Road Rash games. __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

08-12-2009, 11:00	#6
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08-12-2009, 08:59	#5
Vinman Colonel Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,148	Aaaaahhhhhhh!!!

08-12-2009, 16:01	#7
QuailPilot Major Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TSGS Wolfenstien Posts: 698	It's sad that the "I haven't heard of any of these" is wining. __________________ Here comes a Quail YEEEHAAW! "What dirty, filthy mind you got." Humphrey Bogart Owner of www.freewebs.com/quailpilot/

08-12-2009, 19:29	#9
Rittmeister Swabbie Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9	the only real great choices are: Wing commander System Shock Ultima well. over 30% of voters dont know any of these games... It's a symptom of a dumbed down society that even penetrates gamers. They sure know crap like "the sims". What a shame WC is even behind Theme Park...

08-12-2009, 20:08	#10
Bar-None 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	Well, that was short lived. New poll now: Have your parents ever taken away games as punishment? I wouldn't worry too much about the 'never heard of any of these' category taking the win, this site clearly caters for a FAR younger audience...

08-12-2009, 20:14	#11
acoote Cadet Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2	Argh no! We are all a dying breed! Really sad that so many have not heard of a classic such as Wing Commander. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "defined" my childhood, but its definitely one of my fonder childhood memories. Wonder if there will be such dedicated fan sites like this one for a game like Halo in 15 years (if they halt the franchise in the next few years).

08-13-2009, 02:58	#15
Mace Colonel Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,060	Over here when they broadcast the movie, they do not relate it to the game series, some TV-guides do, but the network does not. The movie holds well on it's own. The worst game>movie adaption would be "Super Mario Bros", with "Double dragon" coming in a close second. If you go the dvd-store here, you'll find the movie in the same slots as "enemy mine", "krull", "space truckers", and the original battlestar galactica, and all of these are cult classics.

08-13-2009, 05:38	#16
Natreg Cadet Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 45	heh 4 out of 7 are Origin Games. I would like to see sequels to those 4 games myself. I'm a big Ultima fan, with Wing commander and System shock being among my favourite games of all time. Crusader I'm not that much of a fan, but I think it would make a good shooter, unless they want to revive the game using the same perspective that both crusaders had.

08-13-2009, 05:50	#17
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 25,571	I like Crusader, but I don't think it has anything going for it today that would make a relaunch worth pursuing -- no one is a huge fan of the Crusader universe, are they? The IP boils down to 1) the distinct isometric view and 2) blowing stuff up and killing people. The former seems like it'd be awful hard to sell... and without it you're describing every FPS in the world. (Maybe you could do a Crusader XBLA/PSN game -- but even then branding it as Gears of War or Army of Two or something just makes better financial sense.) (Wing Commander and Ultima have a lot of prestige associated with them; they're second or even tied with the iD shooters for overall impact on the modern gaming industry... and their names alone still have a lot of cachet. The problem with Wing Commander is that a proper relaunch is going to cost a LOT of money. EA is interested in spending that money, but they want some guarantee that there's an interest in the IP -- Arena was one attempt to generate that and we may see some similarly small project in the future. The problem with Ultima is that the IP is inexorably linked to its figurehead, who is a crazy person. It's sort of an odd rock and a hard place situation - no one wants to see an Ultima X that isn't from Richard Garriott... and no one wants to play whatever Richard Garriott thinks is a good idea for Ultima X. __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

08-13-2009, 08:59	#20
Darkmage Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 772	Slashdot is also covering the news on EA updating franchise trademarks. __________________ Organiser and co founder of the Wing Commander Universe Project Http://wcuniverse.sourceforge.net

08-13-2009, 09:08	#21
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 25,571	Who would have thought that Slashdot would cover a story about a giant company trademarking something. I'm sure their posters will be busy all night coming up with clever new comments about this topic. __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

08-13-2009, 16:16	#22
Falcon988 1st Lieutenant Join Date: May 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 282	Going off what LOAF said, realistically speaking I honest to god don't know if there's sufficient interest in the space sim genre right now for EA to do a serious relaunch of Wing Commander. My intuition says no. I really do believe there's people at EA who would love to bring back Wing Commander but that's an expensive endeavor to do it well. Lots of financial risk and it seems, to me, like the market of the 'mainstream gamer' is today focused on MMOs, first/third person shooters, etc. And Tolkien inspired fantasy seems to be the fad right now instead of 'Star Warsy' sci-fi. I'm pretty confident that we will see a full scale WC relaunch one day. There's just too many people who grew up with it and have lots of fond memories, and a lot of those people work in the VG industry. It's practically inevitable that a developer will say "Hey, I loved Wing Commander when I was little, wouldn't it be sweet to bring it back?" and start making it. Space sims are a great genre. Lots of fun, lots of untapped potential. They'll make a comeback at some point and the moment they do we'll be seeing some fresh Wing Commander.

08-13-2009, 20:04	#23
Bar-None 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 112	As sad as this is to say, I agree with Falcon. There isn't enough interest in the younger generations because they're just playing whatever gets shoved down their throats nowadays. I wonder when the last time someone under the age of 20 bought a joystick was. God I feel old...

08-14-2009, 09:21	#25
Death gh0d Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Taylors, SC, USA Posts: 2,299	Umm, if it's a remake of an old Ultima, then by design it's linked to RG, unless they're going the Privateer Remake route and slapping on a bunch of "wouldn't it be great if..." fanwanks that ignore what made the original great in the first place. (I dunno either way. Ultima never really interested me, so remakes thereof get similarly limited interest.) __________________ SubCrid Death Official Net.Nazi, LOAF's Merry Guild A Meeting of Minds - a (mostly) cliche-free "first contact" story; updated periodically If you don't fear ^Death_ then there's a socket loose in your fear factory, buddy. - The Book of LOAF

08-17-2009, 02:53	#26
Tarquinn 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 85	I'm rather surprised that Road Rash has won that poll. (Not Ultima.) Never really paid much attention to the Road Rash series.

08-17-2009, 21:51	#27
Kaunisto 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 95	I liked Road Rash on Sega Master System back when and that's surely not the best version there is. Then again judging the PC version by demo, the 5 years more modern game had weaker playability.

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