Hi-Res Dralthi

Howie Day · 06-17-2004, 20:34

Well, guys. You knew it was coming. When I first roughed out the shape I was sure it was one of the dumbest looking fighters I'd ever seen. Now it's starting to grow on me...
Here you go...

Things are moving along nicely.
I need some feedback on the Dralthi's engine colors. Right now they're identical to the Hornet's engines.
Enjoy, folks.

Howie

overmortal · 06-17-2004, 20:52

Even Hi-Rez, a dralthi still looks cartoonish to me. It's a danged good model, though, Howie. Can't wait to see it get shot up!

And, by the way, this makes my 2,000th post! Now for my custom junk!

Bob McDob · 06-17-2004, 20:53

Might want to change the thread title

Nice work on the markings, I like them. And I think the engines are fine - I don't think anyone's going to be looking that closely at the two meshes and it helps ground the ships a bit by showing they use the same basic tech.

Howie Day · 06-17-2004, 22:40

yeah...sorry bout that Hornet thing - must be force of habit. Perhaps a MOD could fix it for me? I can't seem to do it.
Anyhow - here's the engine thing I was talking about - seems that my webserver->DNS is down for a bit.
Enjoy

HammerHead · 06-18-2004, 05:50

this is teh BEST Dralthi I have ever seen!
(where have I left my Heat-Seeker?!)

Speradon · 06-18-2004, 06:16

Actually, I think the blue engines look cool. In the game, I think they glowed a dull red, and I can't remember if they flamed up at all with afterburners on, but I think they did.

Shades2585 · 06-18-2004, 07:27

Didn't they flame up to a yellow when they afterburn? Or was it yellow and flame to red?

Is it me or do the engins seem a little bit big?

Tolwyn · 06-18-2004, 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speradon

Actually, I think the blue engines look cool. In the game, I think they glowed a dull red, and I can't remember if they flamed up at all with afterburners on, but I think they did.

in Kilrathi Saga intro they were reddish orange...

Shades2585 · 06-18-2004, 08:57

Ya the thread title should be change

Dyret · 06-18-2004, 09:21

Are you going to put a cat inside?

Moonsword · 06-18-2004, 13:02

Those may just be at the wrong angle, but where are the guns?

By the way, your image host for the first set of pictures (and for the Hornet) seems to be down.

Wedge009 · 06-19-2004, 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by HammerHead

this is [the] BEST Dralthi I have ever seen!

Not to discount Howard's work, I think Sadic's Dralthi are still pretty good.

Moonsword · 06-19-2004, 04:30

Yeah, those are really nice too.

HammerHead · 06-19-2004, 07:44

Hey!
never saw those before!

NICE!!!

Andropolos · 06-20-2004, 00:15

Both are lookers!

Howie Day · 06-20-2004, 17:48

OH, thought I might clarify - this is a Work in Progress - so there's a lot that's not in there yet. Tons, in fact.
I'm considering putting a cat inside. right now it's just going to be the same as the Hornet - Full detail Exterior, Full Detail Interior.

Howie

powell99 · 06-20-2004, 18:00

um I thought the scim was your next project. oh well i just wanna see the tiger's claw

overmortal · 06-20-2004, 18:39

I just wanna fly it (the hornet) and blow it up (the dralthi).

Dyret · 06-21-2004, 04:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by overmortal

I just wanna fly it (the hornet) and blow it up (the dralthi).

I prefer the other way around.

Grimloc · 06-21-2004, 20:55

Howie: What programs do you work with? Specifically, which 3d program, and what do you use for texture work?

Howie Day · 06-22-2004, 00:58

I use 3dsMAx 4,5,and 6 (depending where I'm at, and what plugins I need to use). Photoshop for the textures.
Well, I'm still working on the website problems - hopefully I'll have them resolved soon.

Howie Day · 06-22-2004, 00:59

And the next shots....

Moonsword · 06-22-2004, 02:25

Very nice!

Great job!

Howie Day · 06-22-2004, 10:57

thanks.

Howie

powell99 · 06-22-2004, 17:18

nice work can't wait to see the cockpit

Howie Day · 06-23-2004, 11:14

Okay - I started work on the cockpit - and I've been screwing around with the textures a bit.. Let me know what you think.

Howie Day · 06-23-2004, 16:54

Little more work done on the cockpit - as well as some more accurate coloring.

Howie

Grimloc · 06-23-2004, 16:59

This is going to be amazing when it's done. Are you considering putting together an animation with this? Perhaps recreating the first mission in WC1 with both of your fighters?

overmortal · 06-23-2004, 18:33

That would also require asteroids and a Bengal, but sounds really cool. Do it, Howie!

powell99 · 06-23-2004, 19:59

Yes Bengal and uh some Scimitars cause they are on CAP btw if anyone is willing to team up with me to make a Wildcat Im almost done with my orthgraphic views (board drafting) that would be cool

Viper61 · 06-24-2004, 08:03

BTW Howie, the images of the underside of your Dralthi are too dark for me to see anything (and your first ones are red x's to me), but you have a high resolution source if you have a WC1 box sitting around somewhere

That image is not so great, but if you can find a bigger image, you can see the decals and such on the underside (maybe I'm telling you something you already know).

C-ya

Edfilho · 06-24-2004, 08:44

I happen to have some 300DPI scans of WC1 original cover. If anyone wants one...

Bandit LOAF · 06-24-2004, 09:07

Dralthi models always end up looking like they're made of wood... whereas the original had a fairly non-wood-but-still-brown look to it.

TanGO · 06-24-2004, 10:07

Maybe adding small blank parts to light reflection and a little more red/brown to simulate oxid

Howie Day · 06-24-2004, 12:24

In fact I am planning on doing an animation with this. However, the exact scenario has not yet been determined. In order to do the WC1 Mission 1 I'd need the Tiger's claw, Scimitars, Hornets (done

, Dralthi, and Salthi. Along with a lot of time. So I doubt that will happen.
Anyhow, it's all in the tweaking of the materials to get that right painted-metal-weathered-dirty-alien look. I think I nailed it on these.
anyhow - the current level of detail on the underside is severely lacking. just imagine it looking like the topside, detail-wise, and you'll get the idea. Also, does anyone out the know if the Dralthi used landing gear? If so, where was it located? If no-one knows, I'll just make it up. In other news, I'm still at a loss as to what happened with my web server. the server still seems to be there, but I can't connect outside of FTP to either the DNS, or the IP.. Strange. Any thoughts?
Enjoy, gentlemen.

KrisV · 06-24-2004, 16:21

Hmm. So the site doesn't come up when you try to load http://yourip? It could be a DNS issue, or a suspended account for some reason.

powell99 · 06-24-2004, 18:26

Howie I think they maybe put on Racks and`or just sorta rest on its wings

HammerHead · 06-24-2004, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by powell99

Yes Bengal and uh some Scimitars cause they are on CAP btw if anyone is willing to team up with me to make a Wildcat Im almost done with my orthgraphic views (board drafting) that would be cool

That I'd like to see...

powell99 · 06-24-2004, 20:14

My Wildcat? If so ill post it soon i just have a couple designs

Malar · 06-25-2004, 13:55

I must admit, that this current Dralthi is the best I ever seen.
"Better (!) than the original". Some of the details looks improved, but in a good way.
Only the substitutional symbol on the wings don't fit with the rest of the fabulous design.

Howie Day · 06-25-2004, 18:04

Yay. People like it.

Anyhow, here're some more recent shots of the current progress. Also I've begun work on the aft portion of the fighter. Dang, this this is looking better and better. It's actually looking deadly now. Amazing.

Howie

SabreAce · 06-25-2004, 18:05

Wowwitty wowwitty wow

KillerWave · 06-25-2004, 18:35

I always prefered wc3-wcp dralthi, the previous dralthi is too flat, still, thats a nice flat model

Edfilho · 06-25-2004, 19:06

The engine glow went back to blue?

Sylvester · 06-25-2004, 19:24

Howie: I hope you can make a kick ass high res version of the Claw, that would be cool. My question is, are you gonna follow the blueprints exactly or use the in game model, which has six engines instead of five or a combo of the two?

SabreAce · 06-25-2004, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvester

My question is, are you gonna follow the blueprints exactly or use the in game model, which has six engines instead of five or a combo of the two?

Or the 9-engine Claw from the WC1 victory ending

Sylvester · 06-25-2004, 20:06

That one had 8 engines. But it lets something in claw marks work. Remember the mention of Custer's carnival? It says that 3/4 of the Claw's engines are destroyed. Well, that works out with this one, 6 of the 8 engines out witch translates to 3/4

Howie Day · 06-25-2004, 22:24

Well, I want to stick as close to the original as possible. So Engines = Blue.

As for the question of the TC - I'll probably do it the best I can. Haven't screwed up much on these last two models, and I don't intend to start.

Profile!!

Howie

Bob McDob · 06-26-2004, 02:47

I like it - conveys just the right sense of familiarity and alieness.

powell99 · 06-26-2004, 09:43

nice howie now do the CLAW!!!!!!

06-17-2004, 20:34	#1
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	Hi-Res Dralthi Well, guys. You knew it was coming. When I first roughed out the shape I was sure it was one of the dumbest looking fighters I'd ever seen. Now it's starting to grow on me... Here you go... Things are moving along nicely. I need some feedback on the Dralthi's engine colors. Right now they're identical to the Hornet's engines. Enjoy, folks. Howie Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Howie Day; 06-17-2004 at 22:06.

06-17-2004, 20:52	#2
overmortal Waffle Commander Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Middle of nowhere, NC, USA Posts: 2,389	Even Hi-Rez, a dralthi still looks cartoonish to me. It's a danged good model, though, Howie. Can't wait to see it get shot up! And, by the way, this makes my 2,000th post! Now for my custom junk! __________________ -Nick Blitz Super Sonic Ninja Quest

06-17-2004, 20:53	#3
Bob McDob Mola mola Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Grassy Knizzle Posts: 3,135	Might want to change the thread title Nice work on the markings, I like them. And I think the engines are fine - I don't think anyone's going to be looking that closely at the two meshes and it helps ground the ships a bit by showing they use the same basic tech. __________________ Aboard one destroyer, [Admiral Jacky Fisher] saw the sign "UT VENIANT OMNES" in gold letters mounted on the bridge. "What does that mean?" he asked. "Let 'em all come", replied the youthful lieutenant in command. Robert Massie If it's stupid but it works, then it isn't stupid.

06-17-2004, 22:40	#4
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	yeah...sorry bout that Hornet thing - must be force of habit. Perhaps a MOD could fix it for me? I can't seem to do it. Anyhow - here's the engine thing I was talking about - seems that my webserver->DNS is down for a bit. Enjoy Attached Thumbnails

06-18-2004, 05:50	#5
HammerHead Major Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 518	this is teh BEST Dralthi I have ever seen! (where have I left my Heat-Seeker?!) __________________ "We're in the middle of 'deep space', just on the corner of 'No' and 'Where'..." Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, Firefly class.

06-18-2004, 06:16	#6
Speradon 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 154	Actually, I think the blue engines look cool. In the game, I think they glowed a dull red, and I can't remember if they flamed up at all with afterburners on, but I think they did.

06-18-2004, 07:27	#7
Shades2585 none Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 322	Didn't they flame up to a yellow when they afterburn? Or was it yellow and flame to red? Is it me or do the engins seem a little bit big? Last edited by Shades2585; 06-18-2004 at 07:29.

06-18-2004, 08:57	#9
Shades2585 none Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 322	Ya the thread title should be change

06-18-2004, 09:21	#10
Dyret Super Carrot! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 2,437	Are you going to put a cat inside? __________________ Glory to the many

06-18-2004, 13:02	#11
Moonsword Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 787	Those may just be at the wrong angle, but where are the guns? By the way, your image host for the first set of pictures (and for the Hornet) seems to be down.

06-19-2004, 04:30	#13
Moonsword Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 787	Yeah, those are really nice too.

06-19-2004, 07:44	#14
HammerHead Major Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 518	Hey! never saw those before! NICE!!! __________________ "We're in the middle of 'deep space', just on the corner of 'No' and 'Where'..." Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, Firefly class.

06-20-2004, 00:15	#15
Andropolos 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Athens, Greece, EU, Earth, Sol Posts: 137	Both are lookers! __________________ WC does NOT mean toilet you ^$#^%$#^% ! An amazing hidden gem, not many know about.

06-20-2004, 17:48	#16
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	OH, thought I might clarify - this is a Work in Progress - so there's a lot that's not in there yet. Tons, in fact. I'm considering putting a cat inside. right now it's just going to be the same as the Hornet - Full detail Exterior, Full Detail Interior. Howie

06-20-2004, 18:00	#17
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	um I thought the scim was your next project. oh well i just wanna see the tiger's claw

06-20-2004, 18:39	#18
overmortal Waffle Commander Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Middle of nowhere, NC, USA Posts: 2,389	I just wanna fly it (the hornet) and blow it up (the dralthi). __________________ -Nick Blitz Super Sonic Ninja Quest

06-21-2004, 20:55	#20
Grimloc 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 234	Howie: What programs do you work with? Specifically, which 3d program, and what do you use for texture work? __________________ "We're going to the same freakin' jail cell anyway."

06-22-2004, 00:58	#21
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	I use 3dsMAx 4,5,and 6 (depending where I'm at, and what plugins I need to use). Photoshop for the textures. Well, I'm still working on the website problems - hopefully I'll have them resolved soon. Attached Thumbnails

06-22-2004, 00:59	#22
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	And the next shots.... Attached Thumbnails

06-22-2004, 02:25	#23
Moonsword Lieutenant Colonel Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 787	Very nice! Great job!

06-22-2004, 10:57	#24
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	thanks. Howie

06-22-2004, 17:18	#25
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	nice work can't wait to see the cockpit

06-23-2004, 11:14	#26
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	Okay - I started work on the cockpit - and I've been screwing around with the textures a bit.. Let me know what you think. Attached Thumbnails

06-23-2004, 16:54	#27
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	Little more work done on the cockpit - as well as some more accurate coloring. Howie Attached Thumbnails

06-23-2004, 16:59	#28
Grimloc 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 234	This is going to be amazing when it's done. Are you considering putting together an animation with this? Perhaps recreating the first mission in WC1 with both of your fighters? __________________ "We're going to the same freakin' jail cell anyway."

06-23-2004, 18:33	#29
overmortal Waffle Commander Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Middle of nowhere, NC, USA Posts: 2,389	That would also require asteroids and a Bengal, but sounds really cool. Do it, Howie! __________________ -Nick Blitz Super Sonic Ninja Quest

06-23-2004, 19:59	#30
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	Yes Bengal and uh some Scimitars cause they are on CAP btw if anyone is willing to team up with me to make a Wildcat Im almost done with my orthgraphic views (board drafting) that would be cool Last edited by powell99; 06-23-2004 at 20:01.

06-24-2004, 08:03	#31
Viper61 Major General Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,909	BTW Howie, the images of the underside of your Dralthi are too dark for me to see anything (and your first ones are red x's to me), but you have a high resolution source if you have a WC1 box sitting around somewhere That image is not so great, but if you can find a bigger image, you can see the decals and such on the underside (maybe I'm telling you something you already know). C-ya __________________ "You only live once, and the way I live, once is enough." - Frank Sinatra Last edited by Viper61; 06-24-2004 at 08:07.

06-24-2004, 08:44	#32
Edfilho Cry some more! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil Posts: 3,522	I happen to have some 300DPI scans of WC1 original cover. If anyone wants one...

06-24-2004, 09:07	#33
Bandit LOAF It wears the skull of its dead mother on its head. When it becomes lonesome, it is said to cry loudly. Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ashton, MD, USA Posts: 25,571	Dralthi models always end up looking like they're made of wood... whereas the original had a fairly non-wood-but-still-brown look to it. __________________ Long live the Confederation, Ben "Bandit" Lesnick, LMG. "You go, Loaf! Get some!" -JPG

06-24-2004, 10:07	#34
TanGO 1st Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buenos Aires Argentina Posts: 254	Maybe adding small blank parts to light reflection and a little more red/brown to simulate oxid __________________ STANDOFF member & RED POINT production

06-24-2004, 12:24	#35
Howie Day 2nd Lieutenant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 77	In fact I am planning on doing an animation with this. However, the exact scenario has not yet been determined. In order to do the WC1 Mission 1 I'd need the Tiger's claw, Scimitars, Hornets (done , Dralthi, and Salthi. Along with a lot of time. So I doubt that will happen. Anyhow, it's all in the tweaking of the materials to get that right painted-metal-weathered-dirty-alien look. I think I nailed it on these. anyhow - the current level of detail on the underside is severely lacking. just imagine it looking like the topside, detail-wise, and you'll get the idea. Also, does anyone out the know if the Dralthi used landing gear? If so, where was it located? If no-one knows, I'll just make it up. In other news, I'm still at a loss as to what happened with my web server. the server still seems to be there, but I can't connect outside of FTP to either the DNS, or the IP.. Strange. Any thoughts? Enjoy, gentlemen. Attached Thumbnails

06-24-2004, 16:21	#36
KrisV Space Marshal Administrator Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: The Reid System Posts: 3,210	Hmm. So the site doesn't come up when you try to load http://yourip? It could be a DNS issue, or a suspended account for some reason. __________________ The Wing Commander CIC Forum Rules

06-24-2004, 18:26	#37
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	Howie I think they maybe put on Racks and`or just sorta rest on its wings

06-24-2004, 20:14	#39
powell99 Aviation Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Daly City, San Francisco ya know alot of places. Posts: 946	My Wildcat? If so ill post it soon i just have a couple designs