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That's a nice argument, but it doesn't hold. The audience hears sounds even when the camera is out there in outer space, it's not restricted to the pilots. Anyway, they use something that looks like a * space sonar * on WC.
It's just something that movices and game would suck without, so everyone ignores it, as long as people don't go overboard, which some felt WC did.
Delance
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Movie Viewer: "Hey! That was space sonar! That's impossible! There's no sound in space!"
WC Fan: "Oh, that looks like sonar, but it actually is a advanced computronic sonoric radar perciever. It's also a reference to Das Boot, but it is in no way impossible because even sound in space is computer-generated in the earphones of pilots, and the Kilrathi look terrific."
ChrisReid
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I seriously don't see how people can connect the dots and come up with that conclusion. Unless you're digging around trying to find things to nitpick, the scenes just really doesn't come off as anything but Paladin telling everyone to stop screaming because the Kilrathi were still onto them.
Delance
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A lot of people commented on this. It was, in fact, even on some reviews. One thing is to have sonud in space, but another is for someone to be quiet on a spaceship so no one will hear them. It's goofy, something that belongs more to "Spaceballs".
Spaceball: "Listen, they are close!"
Dark Helmet: "Shut up, asshole, they will hear us!"
Spaceball: "But, sir, there's no sound in space!"
Dark Helmet (lowers his helmet): "You dare to insult my schwartz?"
Sbaceball: (whispers) "No, sorry, sir, please, let me get you something from Mr. Coffe."
Dark Helmet: "Much better."
Bandit LOAF
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I see no reason to assume that the average movie-goer is a horrible jerk.
Anachronism is a literary technique -- and it's something Wing Commander has been based around since the very beginning. It's World War II in space! Aircraft carriers complete with big flat flight decks travelling around in space? Marines launching amphibious invasions from space? None of that makes a lick of sense. But that's not the point. The setting exists to tell a relatable story above all else -- and Wing Commander has always used a very "unrealistic" setting to do this. Picking out one individual part and claiming it ruined your life is just your prejudice for or against some particular product shining through.
I don't think Chris was *denying* that people bitched about this -- but people are stupid, and their complaints made no sense. How many people here have served on a submarine? Assuming ^Death_ is busy at work, none of you. How many people here have ever asked anyone to be quiet? Oh, is it maybe... everyone? But, but, but... according to movie reviewers, the only situation that can possibly exist where people need to be quiet is on a submarine!
"You can't have sound in space!!!!!!" has long been the inane complaint visited upon... every single science fiction series ever. It's drama versus realism, and fiction will pick drama every time. Way back in '94, Wing Commander Armada threw out an excellent 'fuck you' to people complaining about how WC1/2 had *sound*: they armed Kilrathi fighters with a "Sonic Accelerator Cannon" and left it at that.
The version Jetlag has posted is the second draft of the script -- it's an entire rewrite behind the one that was actually shot (which was, in turn, significantly changed in post production).
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Ghost
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Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
"You can't have sound in space!!!!!!" has long been the inane complaint visited upon... every single science fiction series ever. It's drama versus realism, and fiction will pick drama every time. Way back in '94, Wing Commander Armada threw out an excellent 'fuck you' to people complaining about how WC1/2 had *sound*: they armed Kilrathi fighters with a "Sonic Accelerator Cannon" and left it at that.
Yeah, what i mean is that they (author,director,whatever) tried to explain (or induce) that moment,with sonic waves(sound) travelling across the space to shut up everyone.
No, i mean the DVD-rip with spanish subtitles.
Delance
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Originally posted by Bandit LOAF
"You can't have sound in space!!!!!!" has long been the inane complaint visited upon... every single science fiction series ever. It's drama versus realism, and fiction will pick drama every time. Way back in '94, Wing Commander Armada threw out an excellent 'fuck you' to people complaining about how WC1/2 had *sound*: they armed Kilrathi fighters with a "Sonic Accelerator Cannon" and left it at that.
About the use of anachronisms, sometimes it works great, some doesn’t. This time it didn’t. It's not because it has worked before that it will work every single time.
Anyway, what dramatic effect? It was goofy, and helped erode any good qualities the movie had left. It was not the all that important, it was just something people liked to comment on.
It's all about suspension of disbelief. For some people, it was pushed too far, since they are far more tolerant to an unrealistic thing depending on how cool it is. They are not “horrible jerks” or “very stupid” because of that.
Sound in space and Laser-swords (lightsabers, whatever) are "cool". Submarine warfare in space isn’t. Big deal.
Delance
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Originally posted by ChrisReid What fact is that? If you just mentioned a fact, then I'd have nothing to say.
People complained about the whole space sonar thing. It's a fact. Do you want proof? I can go search some old stuff and try to find some "evidence" from circa 1999.
ChrisReid
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Christ on a fucking pony.. your factual point is that people wrongly bitch and moan about so-called "space sonar?" Of course they do. Woop-de-do. You win!
I thought you were going to try to whip out facts about it supposedly being sonar. I was already ready to do the opposite when I reread your post. Might as well post.
"they stepped onto the bridge to find Taggart at the radar station, staring into nothingness as the telltale beep of an incoming beep grew louder." Bottom of page 177. There we go.. beeps like a modern day sonar might.. but it's a freakin radar station.
I thought you were going to try to whip out facts about it supposedly being sonar. I was already ready to do the opposite when I reread your post. Might as well post.
"they stepped onto the bridge to find Taggart at the radar station, staring into nothingness as the telltale beep of an incoming beep grew louder." Bottom of page 177. There we go.. beeps like a modern day sonar might.. but it's a freakin radar station.
Delance
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And, as I mentioned before, of course there's an explanation somewhere, but page 177 of Telep's novel was not readily accessible to the casual moviegoer.
It looked like a sonar (which the novel says it wasn't) and a reference to the submarine movies (which it actually was). It was enough for people to complain. That's just it.
Personally I think they should have used completely unknown ppl in the movie. In a situation like this where the characters have already been designed and ppl have gotten to know them. Transfering their personality onto wellknow actors is a real problem unless the actor in question is either 1: Extremely talented, or 2: That kind of actor who doesnt have a certain "way" about him, the way Freddie got the Teen Movie deeply rooted in him.
Bandit LOAF
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